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Greetings! I am currently in college studying the Bible and its history, and in so dong, have become interested in not only learning about Chrisitanity, but also it's fellow descendants from Abraham, that is Judaism and Islam. Living in Kentucky, it is hard for me to find an imam close by to ask these questions of. "The closest mosque is, i believe, a little over an hour away). At any rate, I was hoping to be able to ask questions here and get answers from everyday Muslims about their religion, namely: 1: Is there some way for me to refer to prophets without appending pbth or other honorifics, without being offensive to you? 2: I am not sure I understand the Islamic view toward the Gospel. If it was not distorted, as you believe, then would Muslims view it as scripture? God bless you. |
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Thank you for your answers! I have yet to get a chance to study the quran, due to school obligations and my own religious obligations, and I greatly appreciate your help in finding specific passages which speak about such matters. I certainly hope to never offend anyone, and instead simply learn about my fellows. God bless you |
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How can you say you believe in all the scriptures the moment you claim they have been altered???? Isn't this why you have the Qoran? Because Mohammed came to correct those mistakes you claim to be found in the Bible and the Torah??? |
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for the people who doubt the authenticity of the Quran and to the Question why we say that the scriptures have been conjugated should read both they themselves vill find bundles of mistakes in the scriptures and not one in the glorious Quran many might not get enough time to do so i vil help you with a brief over view" http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?255253-Dr-Zakir-Naik-Vs-Dr-William-Cambell" any who really intends to find out the truth about authenticity should view this and those who just want to argue with out any knowledge vil not watch this its my guess but anyways allah knows the best and he says in the glorious Quran" And do not trust except those who follow your religion." Say, "Indeed, the [true] guidance is the guidance of Allah . [Do you fear] lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise." 3:73 "And do not believe but in him who follows your religion. Say: Surely the (true) guidance is the guidance of Allah-- that one may be given (by Him) the like of what you were given; or they would contend with you by an argument before your Lord. Say: Surely grace is in the hand of Allah, He gives it to whom He pleases; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing. " 3:73 |
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confusedsoul: Muslims are not doing anything that liberal Christians, liberal Catholic theologians, and most Anglicans and United Church members are not already doing. All of these mentioned Churches basically admit that there are errors and historical inaccuracies in the Bible. Muslims do the same. So I want you to understand that Muslims look at the Bible in the same way as many modern-day Christians do, apart from the fundamentalist/born-again ones who have an inerrantist view of the Bible (but in 2012, as opposed to 1612, this group of inerrantists is a minority within Christendom). Muslims "picking and choosing" from the Bible is not a problem, because Muslims readily admit that they do not believe in the entire Bible 100%. The bigger problem is when Christians like you pick and choose from the Bible, accept some parts and reject others, all the while claiming to believe in the Bible as the 100% Word of God. If we were sitting down face to face, believe me, it would not take long to show that you accept parts of your Book and reject others. Muslims can explain why they accept parts of the Bible and reject others-- but what is your excuse? For example, do you accept the creation account found in Genesis 1:26 which states that Adam was made after the animals, or do you accept the creation account of Genesis 2:7-19 which has it that Adam was created before the animals? Which passage do you accept, and which one do you reject? Please don't say "both" without explaining to us how you can believe in two completely contradictory accounts. Did Jairus say that his daughter is almost dead (Mark 5:25) or did he say that she is already dead (Matthew 9:18)? Which passage do you, as a Christian who claims to believe in the entire Bible, accept and which passage will you reject? Do not say "both" without explaining how Jairus could have said both statements at the same time. I could give more examples, but I won't. Like you, I mean no disrespect to your Scripture or to your religion, but I needed to bring these examples out in order to answer your question and to make my point. I've seen from past experience that you do not really directly respond to most of my points, but that is alright. Perhaps this exchange might benefit others who are listening in. |
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confusedsoul: but how can you accept a new scripture written by a human and try to interpret it "correctly" as you say but not a new book written by allah that has no cotradictions written in one language no mistakes because of the language barrier which one would you rather take as the truth yes the bible did come first but why dont you ask yourself can christianity and islam exist without people revising the bible not without the bible keep in mind that others rewrote it islam cant exist without the revision of the bible not the bible itself and if you belive the bible is 100% true how can it stay true when people keep adding on to it you cant change somthing then keep saying its the same as long as you disregard the thing that changed it and why would you want a book that you cant take litterly its like depending on a friend to save you and they promised to do so but you have to keep in mind you shouldnt belive them all the time wouldent you rather ask your trustworthy friend to save you one that everyone belives and no one has ever caught them lying? |
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confusedsoul: If you believe that the Bible is only preserved in the original Hebrew, Aramaic (portions of the Book of Daniel), and Greek, then have you bothered to learn any of these languages? If you have, then please make this simple by giving me the word that is used in Genesis when it talks about God creating "animals". We will then check a Hebrew lexicon to see if that word for "animal"/"beast" can also mean human beings in a primitive state, as you are asserting. Likewise for the Jairus problem. Please provide us with the original Greek and explain to us why you think there is no contradiction. We are not employing double standards. If an apparent contradiction in the English translation of the Qur'an requires us to go back to the original Arabic and analyze it, we will do it. I have shown you a clear contradiction in the two Jairus accounts (Gospel of Mark's account vs. Gospel of Matthew's account). If you feel you have to go back to the koine Greek in order to analyze and reconcile this problem, go right ahead and do it. |
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confusedsoul: I agree with you. There should not be any name-calling or insulting involved in such discussions, otherwise they are not "discussions" any more. Keep in mind that this is not an "Islamic Studies board". It is just another Internet forum where people can pretty much say whatever they want, and there is little (if any) filter. On my part-- you're most welcome to keep on asking questions and sharing your comments. |
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